12 May 2008
Marco travaglio - Interview Book (read 39.945 times)
CLAUDIO SABELLI FIORETTI: In a little while' he can boast of having rounded the buoy of the two million copies sold. In the almost total silence of the Italian press. For television, until recently it was a ghost. For Italians no. Italians always flocked wherever Marco travaglio presented his books. An editorial phenomenon.
In the United States they would have already dedicated the cover of «Time» and «Newsweek». In Italy the weekly magazines and magazines of newspapers ignore it. Only thanks to Michele Santoro is back on TV. And some timid apparition now happens also in the newspapers more than anything else when you want to drag him into the controversies. Marco, is the period of silence and absence coming to an end?
MARCO TRAVAGLIO: I still boast the least number of reviews among the authors in the ranking.
Is the ostracism continuing?
Only two or three newspapers speak of my books. Perhaps they feel obliged. They are the ones I collaborate with. «Espresso», «Repubblica», «Unità». Nor always. I have never seen a review of my books on «Press» or «Messenger». The vast majority of Italian newspapers ignore me.
And you suffer from it.
I don’t care. Reviews are useless. But when I think that there are books that sell three copies and have the review of the great daily…
But why is that?
There is always this idea that if someone talks about my books they risk something. As happened to Luttazzi.
But in the pages of the charts you can not ignore…
And we would miss it. They should distort the charts. But in the small pieces that comment the charts is overlooked. I’m in the top ten, maybe I’m in the lead, but we’re talking about the guy who climbed the 29th. But I’m not complaining. That’s fine.
Is this political censorship?
No. I simply believe that it is antipathy or envy. Or that I do not belong to corporate mafias. To appear on the cultural pages of newspapers it is more important to be friends with the head of service than to sell 100,000 copies.
And you have no friends.
I have not been in Continuous Struggle, nor in Worker Power, nor in Communion and Liberation.
You miss the lobby.
I have never been enrolled to anything. Maybe someone could do it for captatio benevolentiae. But what can I give him in return? I don’t count for anything.
Your friends are very few, the ones you don’t speak ill of are even less. On television, those you like are counted on the fingers of a hand: guzzanti, Luttazzi, Santoro…
But no, even those who are not engaged but do their job like the Ventura, Mike bongiorno, Pippo baudo, chiambretti…
But no one invites you…
It’s quicker to say those who invited me in the years when it was forbidden to invite me. Two or three-times mannoni a Primo Piano, two or three times Gad Lerner…
You were also invited Ferrara…
I was up on Gad Lerner. So much so that when he left and the divers arrived first and then Luca Sofri and then Ritanna Armeni completely ignored me. Even when someone insulted me. When Cossiga told me of the «right-wing fascist» in my absence, Ferrara commented: «Now you forces us to invite Travaglio so that you can reply». And then, of course, never heard from again.
Anyone else invite you?
Funari in Odeon, Daniele Vimercati and Davide Parenzo in telelombardia. Then, when the Berlusca wall fell, I was invited by Ventura and Fabio Fazio.
Vespa?
Are you kidding me?
To me he said: «The only place to encounter labor is the tribunal».
We met already in court. He sued me and I’lost.
What did you write?
It was a piece about him and his wife, an officer of the Ros who had discovered among the first the corruption of some Roman judges, had investigated some trials that had done Mrs Vespa and followed some movements of the couple. So they sued and lost.
Vespa, unlike you, presents his books in all possible television and radio broadcasts…
I’ve also seen it in Linea Verde, in the middle of a meadow, with Del Noce. They took the book of Vespa to pasture. Enzo biagi for the occasion spoke of «arms stolen from agriculture». I’ve also seen it at elisir, wonderful, with mirabella. It was an episode dedicated to liver pain or maybe prostate. Vespa is brave. I wouldn’t be able to go talk about one of my books in a bowel show.
Would you go to Marzullo?
No. I don’t like to talk about my own business and private affairs. And then I would laugh at the question whether dreams help to live better.
What about Anna La Rosa?
She’s always been quite affectionate to me, except she’s kind to everyone, but I don’t like the kind of show she does, this cupcake parlor. From Vespa I would go to blow up everything, talking about Andreotti and maybe even his wife, Iannini. Blowing up Anna La Rosa is not worth it, it would be a residual drama.
Would you go to the Bignardi?
The bignardi I don’t like. I don’t say that interview bad. I don’t like the character. When they kicked Luttazzi out of work because he had attacked Ferrara, she was able to say that Luttazzi was right and he was right la7 and that Ferrara was right too. Typical of people in love with power. They never manage to be tranchant. They always tie all the threads. I can’t stand them.
Were you better off with Prodi or Berlusconi?
With Berlusconi there is always a general climate of regime. But the climate of regime continued with Prodi. Hitting three or four has served to educate many.Today the censorship goes on with the autopilot. self-censorship. There is no need for Bulgarian diktats. They have all become obedient. They are afraid of their shadow.
It was said: «If the centre-left Travaglio wins, he remains unemployed»…
But no. But it doesn’t take a great intelligence to predict what happens in Italian politics. I had fully anticipated what those left-wing people would do, and indeed they did. I had the mathematical certainty that none of the problems I deal with would be solved.
But at «Unità» you had difficult moments. Antonio padellaro told me that sometimes you caused him problems…
To Furio Colombo more.
What’s the final balance?
I have never had a difficult life at «Unity». It was they, Furio and Antonio, who had a very difficult life because of me. Much more than Claudio Rinaldi, who had the broadest shoulders, when he made me write about the «Espresso». He had many difficulties even indro montanelli, though he had very wide shoulders. montanelli was even summoned by Lambs for my sake.
Did Montagnelli report to Agnelli?
He didn’t go, of course. Federico Orlando sent us. Cesare romiti and Gianni Agnelli told him that I no longer had to deal with the Fiat trial. They also told him that they knew about the difficulties of the hillbillies with Berlusconi and that they would be happy to help him if he was forced to leave.
What about hillbillies?
He said: «Trouble continues to write quietly about Fiat». I must say, in fairness, that very elegantly Agnelli did not react to this. In short, he did not take away his greeting. montanelli was unique.
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